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  I got a voicemail from an elder about meeting with me.

  by schnell in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  yesterday, i missed a call and got a long voicemail from an elder who would like to meet with my wife and i some time this weekend, with another elder who dealt with my brother.

  i haven't responded.

  it's meeting night tonight, and my wife has already talked about staying home to do yoga with me instead.. yeah.

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  Knowing these two faced POS they want to meet up with you to get enough information on you to DF you. Its up to you if you want to meet with them but you should know what you are getting into.
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  It was never, ever, a warning work, was it?

  by jambon1 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  most witnesses i knew were exteeemly reluctant to go out in the ministry.

  but when they did, they were simply scraping by, eager to avoid conflict and just do their hour or so speaking to lonely old ladies or widowed old men.

  placing magazines in a car group, doing route calls, plodding along in the utter boredom of their responsibility to get some time on a report by the last day of the month.. this was never a warning work.

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  I remember going door to door with some of the friends when I was a teenager. One dub friend I would work with in the ministry, to look good he would pretend to knock on the door and just hope no one would come to the door. If they did he would just say I have the watchtower and awake magazines, he might as well said, "you really are not interested are you?"...

  I always hated the time thing as to me most of the dubs were not doing it for the right reasons but only to pad their monthly totals. My sisters when they first met my girl friend were as nice a pie to her, only to ask her to attend a meeting or assembly. I warned her that they only look at her as a potential bible study so they can just count the time on their ministry report.
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  Summer Regional Convention

  by miss.ives01 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  has anyone attended the sunday program of the summer regional convention, remain loyal to jehovah?.

  i have been very concerned about the tone of discussion surrounding sundays program.

  i went to friday and sat., not sunday.

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  William Penwell

  I am grappling with the "what ifs" they are somehow right about all of this. I have to say though they would not allow me to live in their new world if I made it. Whats wrong with them?? Why are they so sure??

  This is all part of the cult conditioning and it does take a while to get de-programmed. Growing up in the 60's and 70's and seeing first hand the 1975 fiasco I have no doubt in my mind the organization is wrong. They can make all the excuses they want but if they were spirit directed like they claim the are, they would not make mistakes in the first place. Then when you learn this is not the first failed prediction the society has made over the years. Why are they so sure? Is because they are a cult.

  
  
  
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  Summer Regional Convention

  by miss.ives01 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  has anyone attended the sunday program of the summer regional convention, remain loyal to jehovah?.

  i have been very concerned about the tone of discussion surrounding sundays program.

  i went to friday and sat., not sunday.

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  William Penwell

  I think the GB is panicking a bit and seeing that the money is not coming in like it used to. That is why the clamp down on the rank and file members not associating with weak and inactive dub relatives.

  Since I have left I have never being happier. Even now my sister says she can't have anything to do with me as Jehovah comes first in her life. If she thinks this will get me to run back she is so wrong as I do not need her and her dysfunctional cult in my life.
  
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  More speculation on Kingdom Hall closers and money grabbing?

  by Crazyguy in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  there continues to be more and more rumors of more halls being sold off some even taking the first offer.

  the borg trying to get thier bond money back from the court in san diego asap and there's been elders meetings about this consolidation.

  my questions is why after selling off all this real estate in new york for over a billion dollars are they still acting like thier broke?

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  I would think their financial people are looking at all the KIngdum Hall and seeing which ones are in the red and if they are sitting on a piece of valuable property it does make financial sense to sell off that asset. The only lousy thing is the rank and file dubs paid for those Kingdum Halls.
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  Columbia's Wiwa tribe fight back against J.W.s

  by BluesBrother in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  a story i found on google news .

  i cannot vouch for it's journalistic accuracy , but it is still interesting.. in an act of self-determination, the wiwa tribe expelled the religious organization for contributing to their “cultural and spiritual extermination.

  "the wiwa indigenous community in colombia has expelled a group of missionaries from a church built by jehovah's witnesses inside their territory, which had been perceived as a threat to the culture, traditions and beliefs of the group.. .

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  William Penwell

  No surprise. I guess the Wiwa Tribe figured out the JW would not allow them to still practice their traditions after being converted to the JW religion.
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  CO visits me today

  by Chook in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i'm at home and hear knock on door , i sneak and look i see two men and recognise one voice and go back into lonunge and ask wife ( who is inactive believer) does she want to speak to elders ,she says no ,then literally 3 minutes has pasted another knock the 3 minutes seemed like an eternity.

  so brave heart me think fuck it i'll answer ,i invite them in for coffee, i recognise one older man he is a unique elder who i genuinely was fond of when i was in his name is andrew ,the other guy i didn't recognise we will call harry ( not real name australia doesn't have that many cos with his same name).

  so i think to myself i will tread lightly and not cause to much of a fuss for the wife's sake, but my personality is very the opposite of treading lightly ,as you read my threads you will realise i'm not timid.

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  These two elders initially assured you that they won't use what you said against you, so that you would feel free to let your hair down. Now that "they" know you are a dangerous apostate, expect an invitation to an official interrogation by other elders who will know exactly what you said and will know the exact self-incriminating questions to put to you.

  I remember years ago at my JC hearing the assured me that what I said would not be used against me but then after when they DF'd me they used my words against me. They are a bunch of f*ing liars. They just want you to open up and confide in them and then use your words against you. They do not care about the indidual person. You could be on the brink of suicide, yet they would still DF you as there first duty is to protect the corporate real estate holdings company the WT.

  
  
  
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  CO visits me today

  by Chook in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i'm at home and hear knock on door , i sneak and look i see two men and recognise one voice and go back into lonunge and ask wife ( who is inactive believer) does she want to speak to elders ,she says no ,then literally 3 minutes has pasted another knock the 3 minutes seemed like an eternity.

  so brave heart me think fuck it i'll answer ,i invite them in for coffee, i recognise one older man he is a unique elder who i genuinely was fond of when i was in his name is andrew ,the other guy i didn't recognise we will call harry ( not real name australia doesn't have that many cos with his same name).

  so i think to myself i will tread lightly and not cause to much of a fuss for the wife's sake, but my personality is very the opposite of treading lightly ,as you read my threads you will realise i'm not timid.

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  CO assured me what I say would not be used against me

  Yeah right, you know everything you said in that "shepherding call" will be used against you at your JC hearing.

  
  
  
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  Consolidations of congregations

  by TheWonderofYou in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  http://www.simcoereformer.ca/2016/10/21/jehovahs-witnesses-fold-in-port-dover.

  where have the witnesses gone?

  the remaining 20 witnesses will travel to the neighbour churches now.

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  William Penwell

  1998: 13 active Witnesses, 1 baptism, 30 memorial attendance;
  2008: 8 active Witnesses, 0 baptisms, 12 memorial attendance;
  2015: 6 active Witnesses, 0 baptisms, 19 memorial attendance.

  Six active Witlessnesses, I mean at the WT study, 1 contacting the study, 1 reading and 2 on mics, it doesn't leave many to comment.
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  So getting disfellowshipped sounds kind of great.

  by schnell in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i grew up in this religion, i was baptized at 14, married at 27, and now i'm 31. i'm also evolutionist and atheist.

  i wanted this to be the truth.

  i spent years as an apologist trying to reconcile everything.

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  William Penwell

  The WT bible teachings cannot stand up to logical scientific evidence. This was the eye opener for me. As long as you know what you are getting into and do not care what the other dub family members think or their shunning, then go for it and don't look back. There is a whole other world out there for you without the cult trying to control you.